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    Posted: 01/November/2009 at 13:59
I bought a pair of shoes from a large store on the 26/10/09 (I have the receipt available). I wore the shoes on the 27/10/09 morning and realised that they were uncomfortable, gave me a lot of shoe bites and was ripping apart. So I promptly went back to the store and demanded that they exchange the shoes I was wearing for ones that actually fit me. They refused on basis that the shoes were worn and had no tags on.
Now the foolish part - On 29/10/09 I walked in the same store and left the shoes I was wearing on the shelf and tried walking out of the store with a smaller pair of shoes. I got caught by the undercover cop who charged me with stealing.
The store did not want to wipe the charge off and now I am left to appear in court late nov. The cops were understanding but said that they had no option but to charge me.
I have never done this before and would never condone it, but I was fired up by the fact that the store would not exchange a product that was not doing its job.
Will I get a criminal record if I plead guilty and explain my situation? (I am extremely worried about that).
Also am I being tried by the store or the state?
Thanks.
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  Quote MartinO Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/November/2009 at 15:57
If the store made a complaint to the police, which it appears they have, it is the state who are prosecution you on a criminal charge of theft.

You were foolish to have acted in the way that you did, if the shoes were not suitable for the purpose for which they were purchased you had a remedy available to you, there was no need to steal.

My suggestion is, when you go to court, be contrite, apologise, give your reasons and full details of what happened before, and hope you have a sympathetic magistrate.
I am NOT a lawyer. Anything said is NOT legal advice.
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  Quote diversion Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/November/2009 at 16:34
How much were the shoes?

Did the cops at any point in time ask you to pay for the items? Cops have an option not to send you to court but to ask you to pay for the stolen items then issue you out a fine and call it that... obviously you got some a$$hole cops who were after some promotions hence why they charged you and send yo u to court.

If you have no prior charges, plead guilty and get legal aid lawyer to represent you on the day, you will be ok, might get a fine and no conviction.



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Yes, I do feel extremely foolish and all for $43.95. I could have thrown the shoes in the bin and got new ones.
I wish I had the option of a warning and a fine. In fact I did mention that a few times during my conversation with the cops, but was ignored.
Do you think charity or community service prior to my court appearance will help the sentence/ avoiding the criminal conviction.
It is absolutely important in my line of work to have no criminal records, so if I do get convicted, I am going to be unemployed for a long time...
I am even contemplating having a chat with the store manager to withdraw the charge. If you think this is a good idea, how should I present my case?


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  Quote googler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/November/2009 at 17:10
Also one of the cops (the sympathetic one) asked me if they could take a pic of the shoes earlier purchased and the receipt. I agreed as she said that this will help my case.
Do you think it will?
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  Quote shoeverine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/November/2009 at 21:35
Originally posted by diversion

Did the cops at any point in time ask you to pay for the items? Cops have an option not to send you to court but to ask you to pay for the stolen items then issue you out a fine and call it that... obviously you got some a$$hole cops who were after some promotions hence why they charged you and send yo u to court.


Yes I agree. That is very clearly what happened. No doubt about it. You speak the truth diversion. I would bet my life on it. Thats the gods honest truth brother. Amen to that. What was going through their minds? Imagine what total dicks those cops must have been. Can you believe that they caught a person stealing and actually sent them to court for it. What is this world coming to?

By the was diversion, about the option you mentioned about paying for shoes and getting a fine; this can only be done in some circumstances. The main point being that it is only available in some states not all of them (for starters). So since the original post does not mention anyhing about what state it was in, i guess you could say that the situation was not as obvious as you assume.

Edited by shoeverine - 01/November/2009 at 21:36
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  Quote MartinO Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/November/2009 at 21:49
Steady on fellows, we don't want this to get out of hand.

Googler, please let us know how this turns out. Have you spoken with a solicitor?
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  Quote diversion Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/November/2009 at 02:10
yeah what state?
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Yes, I do feel extremely foolish and all for $43.95. I could have thrown the shoes in the bin and got new ones.
I wish I had the option of a warning and a fine. In fact I did mention that a few times during my conversation with the cops, but was ignored.
Do you think charity or community service prior to my court appearance will help the sentence/ avoiding the criminal conviction.
It is absolutely important in my line of work to have no criminal records, so if I do get convicted, I am going to be unemployed for a long time...
I am even contemplating having a chat with the store manager to withdraw the charge. If you think this is a good idea, how should I present my case?




A once off shoplifting charge is a minor mistake, its also under $600.

No need for charity work, do as i stated above.

The judge will see u did wrong, fessed up and slap u with a fine and no conviction.

Stress to him that u cant have conviction otherwise u will lose ur job.
sorry for my typin its late
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  Quote googler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/November/2009 at 10:02
I am in QLD.

I plan to go to the store today and apologise. I hope and play that they withdraw the charge.

I feel so guilty.. I cannot eat, sleep and concentrate on work. I have'nt eaten a single morsel since yesterday and although am at work cannot concentrate.
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  Quote diversion Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/November/2009 at 20:09
Originally posted by googler

I am in QLD.

I plan to go to the store today and apologise. I hope and play that they withdraw the charge.

I feel so guilty.. I cannot eat, sleep and concentrate on work. I have'nt eaten a single morsel since yesterday and although am at work cannot concentrate.


The store will not give a flying phuck if you apologise or not, they deal with people like you daily. They have thick skin when it comes to this kind of stuff, if they dont report you, they may get the sack themselves.

Once the cops get a sniff of your crime, no one can withdraw it but the cops and guess what cops do for living? they charge people, its their job. So you can give that idea a miss.

Sorry for my french but you seriously have phuck all to worry about, big deal u got done for sholifting some cheap shoes from a store... u are not a carer criminal, heck they didnt even do a search warrant on ur house liek they did on mine... so stop being a sook, go see legal aid, prepare two character references, plead guilty on the day and ask for non conviction because of xyz reasons (must be legitimate)

PS how old are you?

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  Quote NotGuilty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/November/2009 at 20:14
When you exchanged the shoes, was the pair you had on at the time of being caught of greater or lesser value than the pair you left in the store?
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  Quote shoeverine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/November/2009 at 00:39
Originally posted by googler

I am in QLD.

I plan to go to the store today and apologise. I hope and play that they withdraw the charge.

I feel so guilty.. I cannot eat, sleep and concentrate on work. I have'nt eaten a single morsel since yesterday and although am at work cannot concentrate.


If the store agrees to withdraw, then they need to contact the police and let them know of their intentions. The police then prepare a report which is included in your court paperwork. Your court date still goes ahead as normal, and the magistrate still hears your charge as normal. You still must attend as noraml. However, the prosecutor requests for the charge to be dropped due to the withdrawal and if the court agrees, you are not convicted.

That being said, getting the store and the cops to agree to this and co-operate to make it go smoothly and quickly is a hard thing to do. It happens, but not often.

As far as the photo that the cops took of the shoes; i dont think that would help you in any way. I doubt that the cops would go out of their way to do something that helps your case (they would more likely do the opposite). If you go in a plead guilty, then your case shouldnt take moe than five minutes. small charges like shoplifting are put through very quickly, like an assembly line. The sentence you get for this will probably be determined by your history, age, circumstances etc, rather then the specific circumstances of your offence.

By the way, shoplifting is not that bad. You should feel a little guilty, but its not something that you shouldnt be able to come back from. Everyone has lapses in judgement sometimes so try not to be too down on yourself.
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  Quote googler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/November/2009 at 10:25
I am 35yo. It was a big lapse of judgement that I took matters into my own hands. I am not being a sook. I am just shocked as I have always kept out of trouble. I have a family, am a mum to 2 kids, don't drink, smoke or swear and try my best to be a good human being.
My intention was never to steal, I just wanted a right to a fair exchange of an item and stupidly exchanged the shoes myself instead to taking the matter up with the store manager. I was very angry at the time too which added to my blurry judement.
I have made an appointment to see a solicitor this week, that i can hire as I am way too nervous to attend court myself.

Thanks for all your comments and please keep them comming.
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  Quote NotGuilty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/November/2009 at 10:34
Before you get too carried away guys do a bit of research on the defence of "claim of right" All the criminal code state jurisdictions have that defence available which is similar to the common law.
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BTW googler you didn't answer my question!
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  Quote googler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/November/2009 at 10:51
The value of the shoes I initially purchased was of a higher value thatn the ones I left with.
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  Quote NotGuilty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/November/2009 at 12:32
This is the way I see it:

1) You attempted to exchange the shoes that you had a legal right to exchange - they weren't fit for purpose under consumer laws - but they refused.
2) So you went back to exchange them without their approval in the exercise of a legal right honestly held.
3) The value of the shoes exchanged were of lesser value than those purchased - so the store and not you gained a financial advantage.

It appears you lacked the requisite intent to commit the offence, moreover, the defence of claim of right would apply here.

If you raise the defence of claim of right the prosecution must disprove it beyond reasonable doubt.

If you get a good lawyer they may be able to persuade the police that you have a strong defence and with any luck the police may drop the charges.
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  Quote rambler1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/November/2009 at 16:11
I agree with Not Guilty but I cant see that this can ever get beyond a magistrate.

You have a valid right of exchange, and that is the argument you should put up.

Hiring a lawyer will cost you so. and the chance of a criminal conviction over $43.95 is negligible.

The duty lawyer in the local court should be able to put up the argument for you or you can do it yourself if you feel that you can handle it, hire a lawyer if you want its up to you.
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  Quote shoeverine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/November/2009 at 18:39
I dont think that this claim of right would stand up, unless there is something more to the story that hasnt been said. Her actions in the store were certainly deceptive. She may have had a lawful claim to her money back (maybe) but she had no lawfu claim to another pair os shoes.
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